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mitachu
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Posted - 06/07/2008 :  3:41:12 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mitachu's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Right, this is weird. Since upgrading to Vista Business, my PC keeps switching itself on. I've disabled automatic updates and Windows Defender updates and I can't see where Nod32 would be waking the PC up for updating itself but STILL it does it, and it's driving me insane.

Tim

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Posted - 06/08/2008 :  09:57:05 AM  Show Profile  Visit cj_berlin's Homepage  Look at the Skype address for cj_berlin  Reply with Quote
Tim,

there's no way an OS can switch a PC on from "true Off" state (as opposed to hibernating or standby). Check your Power settings in BIOS. Vista might have changed something there like Wake on mouse or even timed wake up.

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Posted - 06/08/2008 :  09:57:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit Xenophane's Homepage  Send Xenophane an ICQ Message  Reply with Quote
You havent configured it to be able to wake on LAN traffic or anything ?

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Posted - 06/08/2008 :  4:58:59 PM  Show Profile  Click to see mitachu's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
It is configured to receive WOL traffic, yes. Only one other box is on the network though and that only sends a WOL signal when I specifically run the utility manually. There's a BIOS startup time set but that's 6pm. This box has been routinely switching on at around 2-3am. The power is certainly off as there's no lights (flashing power, etc) on the case and I always shut down. I've even tweaked group policy to always shut down instead of hibernate. It's weird!

Tim
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Posted - 06/08/2008 :  5:13:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit cj_berlin's Homepage  Look at the Skype address for cj_berlin  Reply with Quote
Tim,

I suppose your best bet is the BIOS interpreting the clock incorrectly. I would set auto on to 4 am and see if it goes on at midnight. Or turn auto on off if it's an option.

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Posted - 06/09/2008 :  03:48:35 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mitachu's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I've disabled the WOL functionalitry on the box and it didn't switch on last night. Quite why it's started doing this since Vista was installed I have no idea.

Tim
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Posted - 06/15/2008 :  8:29:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mark Minasi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So it must be that The Devil is pinging your system to turn it on at off-hours.<g>

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Posted - 06/16/2008 :  04:23:12 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mitachu's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
8->

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Posted - 06/16/2008 :  05:01:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit Xenophane's Homepage  Send Xenophane an ICQ Message  Reply with Quote
It is probably Microsoft who has made a deal with the electrical companies, so the PC's boots up in the middle of the night, and uses 1000's of Watts.. Or Maybe Bill is friends with George who is friends with king Abdullah who wants to sell more oil.. Who knows..

Maybe the Saudis are sending out WOL packets in the middle of the night...


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Mark Minasi
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Posted - 06/16/2008 :  11:47:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Mark Minasi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Claus, I think you've nailed it. Those fiendish Moors...

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mitachu
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Posted - 06/17/2008 :  04:43:57 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mitachu's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Seriously though, it's weird. The PC in question is behind NAT so it's not getting anything from the Internet. It has had the auto power on BIOS setting enabled for at least two years and this has only started happening since Vista was installed.

Tim
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Posted - 06/17/2008 :  10:44:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you figured out if the wake-up is a magic packet (network) or BIOS?
Is the BIOS up to date?
Is the time correct?
Try changing the time.

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mitachu
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Posted - 06/17/2008 :  11:05:05 AM  Show Profile  Click to see mitachu's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
The BIOS time was set to 6pm and has been set to that for a couple of years. It wasn't changed when Vista was installed (no need to). The PC was switching itself on at random times.

Worst case scenario is that my server has been compromised and someone was being pesky and sending the WOL signal (I have an iucon on my server desktop to do it) to the desktop PC. I wouldn't have thought that this was the answer though - surely if someone had got in then that would be the last thing they'd be up to!

Tim
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Posted - 06/17/2008 :  12:02:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If the time is random sounds like it's a "magic packet". Easy to find out, just run NetMon all night and look at the trace for the Magic Packet.
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Posted - 06/17/2008 :  1:32:00 PM  Show Profile  Visit Mark Minasi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I know that servers log when they shut down / start up, perhaps Vista does also? That'd help.

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Posted - 06/17/2008 :  2:15:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit Xenophane's Homepage  Send Xenophane an ICQ Message  Reply with Quote
I turn my Vista PC completely off.... Otherwise it will turn on withing 8-10 hours...

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