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mitachu
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 Posted - 06/20/2008 : 03:42:23 AM
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What's that little thing that annoys you most about Windows?
OK, there may be more than just the one ;)
Mine is the fact that an unreadable CD can bring Explorer to its knees. Or browsing Network Neighbourhood and having Explorer crash out because something's not responding in time.
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Playwell
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 03:48:52 AM
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'People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. '
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joe_elway
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 06:54:20 AM
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Originally posted by mitachu
Mine is the fact that an unreadable CD can bring Explorer to its knees. Or browsing Network Neighbourhood and having Explorer crash out because something's not responding in time.
Oh yeah. Those are deffo annoying. I wouldn't argue with either one of those being #1 on the list.
"Stinky keys". I'm at a machine I don't use very often, am in the middle of typing and I hold down <shift> for too long. Beeeedeeedeeedeeeedeeep.
The ever changing GUI and names for things. The renaming department in MS must be laid to waste. |
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mitachu
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 07:52:29 AM
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I have to say the new Microsoft way of hiding the menu bar (IE7, Windows Defender, Live Messenger...) is downright irritating.
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 08:16:37 AM
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The SQL team in general. At the moment anyway due to the PowerShell issue.
Edit - Clarification |
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"Will the woman who left her 9 kids at Wrigley field please come and claim them? - they're beating the Cubs 5-0"
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wobble_wobble
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 09:09:52 AM
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If your in the middle of a few things and the way differernt windows popin/ popout while your typing.
That drives me completely daft. |
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After everything that has happened during the month of Jan 07, I do believe that pigs fly backwards!
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jaxdave
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 09:51:25 AM
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Lack of a stable operating system . For the love of god , Just get one right and stick with it . That we we will not have to completely overhaul every 3-4 years.
I should add that I understand hardware updates etc but we shouldn't have to completely rewrite the OS every time should we? |
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arek73
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 10:13:38 AM
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| As Joe mentioned, the way Windows handle foreground apps. For goodness sake, if I am alredy typing something in application of my choice, let any other app run in background! |
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NikolasE
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 10:39:51 AM
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 10:45:07 AM
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Originally posted by joe_elway
"Stinky keys". I'm at a machine I don't use very often, am in the middle of typing and I hold down <shift> for too long. Beeeedeeedeeedeeeedeeep.
I work on a lot of virtual PCs from my laptop... That BEEEEPPP!!! ugh...
You can turn off the Beep service in Microsoft Windows XP or in Microsoft Windows Server 2003. To do this, type the following command at a command prompt, and then press ENTER:
sc config beep start= disabled
Note You must include the space after the equal sign (=).
To turn the beep sound back on, type the sc config beep start= command together with one of the following startup types:
boot
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"Will the woman who left her 9 kids at Wrigley field please come and claim them? - they're beating the Cubs 5-0"
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runswithsizzors
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 11:40:20 AM
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| I think mircosoft should look at this post. I see so many things we all agree on. App focus control is the most annoying thing in the world, or even in IE where I open it and start typing the address part then (I know changing my home page would probably solve this msn.com) but then it switches focus to the search box on the web page. The hanging on network searches and CD is as well. The renames in Vista was dumb too, it took me 5 minutes the first time I used Vista to find add and remove programs. Don't do that. These function user interfaces on Office products and what not (yeah that is right FUI). They acronym says it all. |
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Jake Mueller
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 1:58:38 PM
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the WMI repository getting hosed up for no reason at all.
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mitachu
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 2:12:05 PM
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The app focus thing is something that I don't really get much of. I generally use X-Mouse, so if my mouse pointer is in a window, the focus remains on that window. It also has the side effect of allowing me to type into windows at the bottom of the window stack. This is something that reminds me of my pre-Windows, RISC OS days. *dewy eyes*
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arek73
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 2:19:11 PM
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| Also, does every new release of OS has to be that BIG and sloppy in performance that it will choke even the fastest computer on the market? |
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netmarcos
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 3:11:05 PM
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| I'll bite. Not being able to reinitialize NetBIOS after a name conflict has been detected and corrected without a reboot of the machine. Talk about the ultimate DoS attack. All I have to do is bring some lousy machine online with the same name as some critical server (let's say an Exchange mailbox server) and that production system is effectively dead until it is rebooted. There should be a way to restart this subsystem. Think about it. |
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Dave Sweatt
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 4:15:09 PM
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I've always been annoyed by the fact that their developement teams lay out their apps independantly and without standardization.
Minor case in point, changing default file locations for word is 1 place and can browse to it, and excel and access it's another place and requires typing in the full path. Not a big deal really, I'd just think they'd agree on 1 or the otherand standardize as a company. There's other instances of the same type of behavior, office just came to mind as I just had to help a barely literate user set these up and enjoyed a nice whine from them about it. |
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Doug G
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 7:23:30 PM
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Do a large file copy from the gui over the network, only to have it stop after an hour with some "permission denied" on a file and not being able to continue and skip the file. I don't know how many hours windows has stolen from my life because of this cruddy design.
Some new hardware fails to install, or windows can't find a driver for it, and there is no information in the new hardware found dialog that identifies just what device it is that failed.
No ctrl-c or other way to break out of a hung app (as mentioned above). Just sit and wait, and waste more time.
Steve Ballmer. :) (I don't know him, I just find the corporate direction of MS is less to my liking since he took the reins).
Vista backup.
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Borg
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 10:20:22 PM
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NikolasE
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Posted - 06/20/2008 : 11:48:24 PM
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Originally posted by JSCLMEDAVE
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Originally posted by joe_elway
"Stinky keys". I'm at a machine I don't use very often, am in the middle of typing and I hold down <shift> for too long. Beeeedeeedeeedeeeedeeep.
I work on a lot of virtual PCs from my laptop... That BEEEEPPP!!! ugh...
You can turn off the Beep service in Microsoft Windows XP or in Microsoft Windows Server 2003. To do this, type the following command at a command prompt, and then press ENTER:
sc config beep start= disabled
Note You must include the space after the equal sign (=).
To turn the beep sound back on, type the sc config beep start= command together with one of the following startup types:
boot
system
auto
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I hate it also specially when i have the speakers to listen to songs this beepppppppppppp kills yous. Thanks |
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nike6
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Posted - 06/21/2008 : 12:15:34 PM
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what i really liked was...
take hard drive with WIN98SE from PC1 (new AMD x64) to PC2 (old PIII), and it starts up, goes through the board hardware, performs configuration.
then search for USB driver CDs...and got the right one for old multimedia cards (64MB).
can transfer driver package for the (new) graphics card (28 mbyte)!
what i did not like was...
old sound cards (some years)- no drivers for new x64 boards, new Windows. OK just buy a new card (getting a collection of 10 or 20 cards soon).
OK the annoying part is that MS believes people always want to dispose their old PC- there are people who are ready to buy a new PC, new Windows, but they want to keep the old one as well- and have two PCs, and after a while, 3 PCs!
and not everyone wants to hook up all of the PCs in the home to the internet.
you could for instance, use the old PIII system to watch DVDs (if you do not just want to buy a TV set, and a DVD player).
but, and that's the point they do not support, maybe people want two regions, or two different places to see DVDs.
OK it is also possible to buy two new PCs, two new Windows!
people must pay tax for cars (but not for operating system licenses). otherwise, maybe people would keep the old car- even if it is just for the purpose to have it around. |
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JamesNT
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Posted - 06/22/2008 : 03:22:44 AM
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Everyone,
I feel the need to temper this discussion as what I am seeing here is what appears to be an episode of slashdot. This isn't to say that I don't agree with some of what you all are saying, but I do think we need to peel back a few more layers of the onion before passing judgement so quickly. Bear with me here for a few moments and let's really think about this.
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The fact that you need so many tools to manage it
I agree with this statement. However, when one considers just how much you can do with Windows, I'm not surprised at the plethora of tools available. Other operating systems have the same issues.
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The ever changing GUI and names for things. The renaming department in MS must be laid to waste.
Please see the following blog post:
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/05/25/141253.aspx
I do agree that things being moved around all the time can be confusing. But the afore mentioned blog post has a serious point: How much complaining would there be if Vista looked just like Windows 2000?
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Lack of a stable operating system . For the love of god , Just get one right and stick with it . That we we will not have to completely overhaul every 3-4 years.
Windows handles hundreds of thousands of hardware/software combinations that I would not dare throw at any other OS.
Also, how similar is the landscape now as opposed to 10 years ago? Today, we have USB 2.0 with 3.0 right around the corner. Back then we did not. Today, we have phishing, spam, etc. 10 years ago the worst thing in the woods was a boot sector virus and we laugh at those today.
Yes, things do change. And whether we like it or not, the look and feel must change as well to handle people's perception. As far as stability goes, I hardly ever see a BSOD starting with XP as opposed to the almost every other week routine I had with NT 4.0.
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When Applications Hung (Application is not responding) I just hate it.
How do we know this isn't a problem with the app? Could we be blaming Windows unfairly?
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Also, does every new release of OS has to be that BIG and sloppy in performance that it will choke even the fastest computer on the market?
I remember when NT 4.0 came out. OMG! Windoze needs a full 64MB of RAM to run. I can't believe how INSANCE M$ is! This will be the year of Linux on the desktop!!
Then came Windows 2000. OMG! Windoze requires 256MB of RAM to even halfway run decent. M$ can't write an OS to save their ass! This will surely drive more people to linux!!!
And don't forget XP. OMG! Windoze now needs a WHOPPING 512MB of RAM! When will this madness end?? Linux, save us!!
And finally, Vista. OMFG!! Windoze needs a WHOLE GIG OF RAM JUST TO GET IT'S ASS OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING! I'm going to go shoot myself!!
The reason Windows has become more hardware intensive over the years is because we demand more from the operating system. We demand better graphics, and those graphics are not free. It takes CPU cycles to calculate the transparency and how everything should look in Aero glass. Mark Minasi explains all this on CD 1 of this Vista Audio Seminar. We also demand better cacheing, Hi Def, better sound, search, and all kinds of stuff that require yet more CPU cycles and more memory.
If you want all that performance back, do the same things I did back in 2002 for those who complained about XP when they installed it on their old Windows 2000 computers. Go to Star | Control Panel. Then, click on System and Maintenance and then on System. On the left hand side, click the link that says Advanced System Settings (acknowledge the UAC prompt when you do). Click on Settings under the Performance subsection. Choose the option that says Adjust for Best Performance. As soon as you do that, Windows Vista will revert back pretty much to the Windows 2000 GUI design and you'll get a huge boost in performance. In fact, you'll notice a lot less work by your GPU.
Next, pull up the services.msc tool and scroll down until you find the SUPERFETCH server and turn it off. You'll notice that most of your memory suddenly gets freed up.
By doing those simple things, you can get Vista onto older computers with less hassle. But look at the price you must pay.
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Some new hardware fails to install, or windows can't find a driver for it, and there is no information in the new hardware found dialog that identifies just what device it is that failed.
But is this truly the fault of Windows? Or the hardware manufacturer?
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OK the annoying part is that MS believes people always want to dispose their old PC- there are people who are ready to buy a new PC, new Windows, but they want to keep the old one as well- and have two PCs, and after a while, 3 PCs!
and not everyone wants to hook up all of the PCs in the home to the internet.
MS is well aware of this fact. The problem is the people you speak of represent only about 5% of the market.
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but, and that's the point they do not support, maybe people want two regions, or two different places to see DVDs.
Is that the fault of Windows, or are they bound by law to do this?
Like I said, I'm not trying to start anything here. But if we are going to act as Judges, Jurors, and Executioners, let us make certain we have the right man.
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Doug G
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Posted - 06/22/2008 : 03:50:11 AM
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Some new hardware fails to install, or windows can't find a driver for it, and there is no information in the new hardware found dialog that identifies just what device it is that failed.
But is this truly the fault of Windows? Or the hardware manufacturer?
This would be truly a Windows flaw.
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JamesNT
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Posted - 06/22/2008 : 11:02:41 AM
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Doug,
You have my curiosity peeked. Could you please elaborate?
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cj_berlin
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 03:47:53 AM
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Originally posted by Doug G
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Some new hardware fails to install, or windows can't find a driver for it, and there is no information in the new hardware found dialog that identifies just what device it is that failed.
But is this truly the fault of Windows? Or the hardware manufacturer?
This would be truly a Windows flaw.
I am with James here - how would it be a flaw of the OS? As of XP and newer, you can always go to the device mgr. and view the OEM hardware strings of the problem devices which in most cases is enough as a starting point for a manual driver search. In 2k you could achieve the same with the System Information applet. What more would *you* expect?
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cj_berlin
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 03:52:38 AM
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Originally posted by Doug G
Do a large file copy from the gui over the network, only to have it stop after an hour with some "permission denied" on a file and not being able to continue and skip the file. I don't know how many hours windows has stolen from my life because of this cruddy design.
Oh yeah... I've given up on GUI copying of more than a single file years ago because of that. Makes you learn XCOPY switches faster  |
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cj_berlin
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 03:56:44 AM
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Originally posted by mitachu
Mine is the fact that an unreadable CD can bring Explorer to its knees. Or browsing Network Neighbourhood and having Explorer crash out because something's not responding in time.
But there at least is a way out... With MacOS up to 9.1 running on those nifty PowerPCs without a powerswitch all you needed to do was insert a diskette, let it mount, throw it out without dismounting (an option presented by the GUI so one would think it's legit), format it on another machine, insert it back into the PowerPC and try once to access the initial volume... All you could do about it then was pull the power cord. |
Evgenij Smirnov
MISSION CRITICAL Business IT Services Ltd.
Revolutionising the PC desktop at a fixed rate (in German only):
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joe_elway
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 05:45:56 AM
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Originally posted by Jake Mueller
the WMI repository getting hosed up for no reason at all.
That one wrecked my head in a job I was in a few years ago. But a consultant that was ding some work for me had a brainwave - MOM detected the fault and fixed it automatically via a script. |
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IT Blog: http://www.aidanfinn.com
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arek73
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 09:50:32 AM
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Originally posted by JamesNT
I remember when NT 4.0 came out. [i]OMG! Windoze needs a full 64MB of RAM to run...
Glad you mentioned NT 4.0, James. It's minimum requirements were to have at least 12 MB of RAM (for NT 4.0 Workstation anyway). I remember because I had exactly 12 MB of RAM back then (simply could not afford more, even that came with lots of pain). Guess what? Even with 12 MB of RAM the system performed MUCH better than Windows 95, maybe because most of the applications I was using were truly 32-bit, so they took advantage of it. Heck, when I upgraded to 32 MB of RAM it was rock solid. I was doing graphic design at that time as a freelance and I could do everything as I do now, despite the hardware is (supposedly) 1000 times faster than old good 486 was.
I guess my bottom line would be: productivity-wise, do you really see an improvement in modern OS? You would think that the code would be optimized to take advantage of such a fast hardware. You would think that having so much extra computing power all OS-related operations would be performed quietly without you even noticing it. I don't see it at all. Maybe I am getting more impatient with age, but any second the system acts as it is deciding what kind of weird error message to throw at you this time round to leave you stunned again is just aggrevating. |
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ccahill
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 11:20:26 AM
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Windows Error Messages....
Entire error message
***Error, Windows has stopped responding.......
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wkasdo
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 11:32:32 AM
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nike6
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Posted - 06/23/2008 : 11:36:27 AM
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OK error messages. somehow Dungeon Siege was not really working very well on my new AMD board. you know there are even registration cards inside the books hidden in buldings.
adding extra secondary hard drive and WIN98- the hardware bootselector makes it an easy task.
but then...DS (Dungeon Siege) stops responding after a random time interval!
anything from immediately, 3 minutes, upto 15 minutes. whatshowever, i played through the whole plot, including the Aranna scenario, using the SAVE function very often. now there are 500 MB game save states!
now the funny stuff. after a while, i figured out sometimes continue is possible without reboot.
hit CRTL ALT DEL.
then the TAB KEY.
press RETURN.
after ten seconds, the sound replay will hang. press RETURN again.
variations of these key input combinations.
sometimes two times CTRL ALT DEL was required.
reboot count: maybe 300 times (within 2 days).
*stopped playing*
now i use WIN98SE on PIII board (new 128MB graphics card).
FRAME RATE is 6 screens per second! (it is absolutely unrelated to WINDOWS)
do you think i like this situation?
OK clearly i need three computers just to play Dungeon Siege.
(two titles on CD, freshly from the shop, do not work on new AMD system. have not tested on the old PIII. they have WIN VISTA sticker...but anyway it is a mainboard issue)
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What narks you about Windows?
