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DennisMCSE
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wkasdo
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 Posted - 11/30/2012 : 10:46:59 AM
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| Looks like the guy makes the right call by observing that Surface PRO is an ultrabook in disguise. |
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DennisMCSE
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 1:32:21 PM
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The other thing to think about is that, if it's like the Surface RT where the OS and apps take up a large portion of the hard drive, the $899 is for 64 GB of disk space. Since the full version of Windows 8 will be on it, plus being able to install full applications, not just Windows Store apps like the RT version, that disk space will fill up quickly. Also sounds like the battery life isn't very long.
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 1:47:32 PM
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Originally posted by DennisMCSE
Also sounds like the battery life isn't very long.
Approximately 1/2 that of the RT so 4 - 5 hours
Paul Thurrott #8207;@thurrott
Is it possible that the ATIV Smart PC just lasted over 9.5 hours playing HD videos back to back? I do believe it is. Will test again.
Aidan can confirm this... |
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joe_elway
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 3:11:55 PM
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| Trust me guys, 64 GB will fill quickly. I've added a 64 GB microSD card onto my tablet. That's where my Skydrive and libraries sit. The OS, legacy programs (the real space eaters) and apps (very little space) sit on the internal disk. |
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Pesos
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Posted - 12/02/2012 : 4:30:21 PM
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| Umm, same guts as a MacBook Air but slimmer and lighter, with touch and tablet usability AND 1920x1080 and comparable if not better battery life? And it costs the same? Yes please. Not a device for everybody, but this will be a big winner for certain people, and will only improve. I'm hoping the next rev will have a slightly larger screen and slimmer profile (and of course battery life will improve). |
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Posted - 12/03/2012 : 12:08:47 PM
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My couple of cents also...
I think it is priced higher than most would like, I agree with Wes that it will be a winner for some but i think not for most.
I wouldn't waste to much time listening to Paul Thurrott personally.
Overall i think they could have done a much better job on the price points but i do like the product.
I also like that one that Aidan got, its an attractive unit! |
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 12/03/2012 : 1:02:20 PM
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Originally posted by ukinahan
My couple of cents also...
Overall i think they could have done a much better job on the price points but i do like the product.
I also like that one that Aidan got, its an attractive unit!
That's my point... It should be a couple $100 less including keyboard in order to compete and 4 hour battery life when compared to 9 to 14 hours with Samsung ATIV?
Fix those two issues and I will gladly buy one.
I would LOVE to show off something to replace these damned BYOD iPads that we can actually manage and will not cause havoc with the Exchange appointments and calendars.
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joe_elway
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Posted - 12/03/2012 : 2:05:29 PM
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Tim, you're comparing apples and oranges. My Samsung does have 13 hours real battery life, but mine's an 11" Clover Trail (Atom) machine. Put an i5 in it, and that comes down big time, costs Eur500 more too, needs vents and a fan, and gets hot too. I have the Built slate PC and the Surface Pro is an updated version of that IMO. There's no getting around the needs of an i5.
The Surface Pro is a touch ultrabook without a keyboard, with a small storage device. If it was a complete ultrabook it would be over $1000. It is what it is.
What it is is a device with not much of a market that I can see. It's way too expensive to be a consumer tablet. I think if consumers want a "prosumer" (in the camera world we use that to mix a pro style device with consumer marketability) device then they'll go for the more affordable Clover Trails. If I want a business device, I'm not going Surface because with the keyboard it requires too much space, and I can't use it at the airport sitting on my lap. To me the releasing the Surface Pro is like deciding to make crank shafts to turn over your 1920's car's engine. There's no place for it.
Surface RT, that's a whole other ball of wax, but I'm not sold on ARM yet - I have a Surface RT in the hotel room with me but until I can get Visio, etc, running on it, it's a lame duck, and I'll happily stick to Clover Trail for light stuff, and my ultrabook for the heavier lifting. |
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JSCLMEDAVE
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Posted - 12/03/2012 : 2:14:44 PM
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Originally posted by joe_elway
Tim, you're comparing apples and oranges. My Samsung does have 13 hours real battery life, but mine's an 11" Clover Trail (Atom) machine. Put an i5 in it, and that comes down big time, costs Eur500 more too, needs vents and a fan, and gets hot too. I have the Built slate PC and the Surface Pro is an updated version of that IMO. There's no getting around the needs of an i5.
The Surface Pro is a touch ultrabook without a keyboard, with a small storage device. If it was a complete ultrabook it would be over $1000. It is what it is.
What it is is a device with not much of a market that I can see. It's way too expensive to be a consumer tablet. I think if consumers want a "prosumer" (in the camera world we use that to mix a pro style device with consumer marketability) device then they'll go for the more affordable Clover Trails. If I want a business device, I'm not going Surface because with the keyboard it requires too much space, and I can't use it at the airport sitting on my lap. To me the releasing the Surface Pro is like deciding to make crank shafts to turn over your 1920's car's engine. There's no place for it.
Surface RT, that's a whole other ball of wax, but I'm not sold on ARM yet - I have a Surface RT in the hotel room with me but until I can get Visio, etc, running on it, it's a lame duck, and I'll happily stick to Clover Trail for light stuff, and my ultrabook for the heavier lifting.
Thank you for the clarification Aidan. I have to admit it does get confusing and I try to read as much as I can on them.
Thanks again for the clarification, I guess I'm back at looking at an Ultrabook. |
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Microsoft Surface Pro pricing released
